Ashley:
That is Actual Property Rookie Episode 315.

Rob:
I’ll give my dad and mom all of the credit score on the planet as a result of I had no concept that we had been poor, however I do bear in mind there was this sooner or later I got here residence and my mother was bawling on the kitchen desk. I bear in mind being like, “What’s fallacious, mother?” And he or she was like, “You texted any person so many occasions. Our invoice is $600 and we are able to’t afford this.” That was a tough second for me as a result of that was the primary time it clicked with me that $600 is every little thing for sure households. That was that second the place I used to be like I’ll by no means let my household really feel like this once more. I’ll be sure that my household by no means feels this manner.

Ashley:
My title is Ashley Kehr, and I’m right here with my co-host, Tony Robinson.

Tony:
And visitor, Rob Abasolo.

Rob:
Hiya.

Tony:
What are you doing? What are you doing?

Rob:
Oh, sorry. I’m marching in in your intro.

Tony:
Properly, anyway, welcome to the Actual Property Rookie podcast the place each week, twice per week, we convey you the inspiration, motivation and tales you should hear to kickstart your investing journey. And also you guys, if you happen to didn’t acknowledge that voice, we do have somebody barging on the intro at present. However earlier than we get to that man, Ashley, what’s occurring in your neck of the woods? We haven’t completed any boring banter shortly.

Ashley:
I do know, we actually haven’t. I’ve been doing a number of wake browsing. I’ve received two properties beneath contract. One goes to be a home flip and the opposite one goes to be a BRRRR. What about you?

Tony:
We nonetheless have this ever ongoing campground that we’re doing in West Virginia, but it surely seems like we’re lastly getting near the end line on that one, so fingers crossed, we are able to begin breaking floor earlier than the 12 months is over. And actually, that’s just about it.

Ashley:
Tony, when you shut on that although, I actually wish to do a rookie reply on that entire strategy of how that began.

Tony:
Oh, completely.

Ashley:
Yeah, a very attention-grabbing one.

Tony:
Yeah. We’ve discovered rather a lot. Issues went properly, issues went haywire, but it surely looks like we’re again on monitor. However actually, most of my focus proper now could be constructing out Robinson Capital. That campground could be the primary acquisition beneath that new firm and actually simply making an attempt to concentrate on extra business acquisitions.

Ashley:
Properly, at present, we’ve got a particular visitor with us. We have now the co-host of the BiggerPockets podcast, and you might know him-

Rob:
Hiya. Hiya.

Ashley:
Do you wish to intro your self?

Rob:
No, no, you do it. I prefer it when different folks discuss me.

Ashley:
You might know him as Robuilt. You could have heard him on the podcast or you will have watched him on YouTube or seen him on social media. So Rob Abasolo, welcome to the podcast. I want to know, what’s one nice takeaway that you simply gave to us on the episode at present?

Rob:
I’d say the best takeaway that somebody will get from at present’s episode is knowing why it’s so necessary to produce other folks pay on your mortgage.

Tony:
That’s a great one. I’d add to that, Rob. I really like that. However I additionally assume the thought and idea of beginning small, testing and iterating to greater issues is a very necessary theme out of your episode at present as properly.

Rob:
Yeah. You bought to scale accordingly.

Ashley:
So what we do on this episode is we’re going to undergo Rob’s childhood journey, ranging from his early years and issues he’s discovered from his childhood that formed him who he’s at present. He talks about residing beneath your means, frugality and what his household went via rising up, and you’re going to get the possibility to study much more about Rob and the way he constructed his legacy, beginning with home hacking.

Tony:
We get actual deep in at present’s episode. We get Rob on the remedy sofa, however general, a lot of actually good issues come out of at present’s episode. Earlier than we hold shifting, I simply wish to give a shout out to somebody by the username of MMK2255. They left us a five-star evaluation on Apple podcast. This individual says, “So many because of Ashley and Tony. I really like the leisure, data and motivation from the host and their visitor. I began listening 4 months in the past and simply closed on my first property. I met Ashley at a convention not too long ago and he or she’s much more real in individual. My subsequent purpose is to satisfy Tony. Sustain the boring banter and thanks for every little thing.”
So MK, we recognize you. For all of our rookies who’re listening, if you happen to haven’t but, please do take a couple of minutes to depart us an sincere score and evaluation. The extra views we get, the extra people we are able to attain and the extra people we are able to attain, the extra people we may also help, which is what we love doing right here on the Rookie Podcast.

Ashley:
For those who haven’t already, be sure you test us out on YouTube at Actual Property Rookie or be a part of the Actual Property Rookie Fb group. Rob, welcome to the Actual Property Rookie Present.

Rob:
Thanks.

Ashley:
Thanks a lot for becoming a member of us at present. We’re very honored to have you ever on. And a few could also be questioning why we’ve got you on at present, and we’re going to return to the rookie years, and we’d actually like to begin with childhood. So Rob, please indulge.

Rob:
Sure, sure. It’s been a very long time since I’ve been a rookie. Properly, hey, to start with, let me simply say thanks for having me on the pod. So excited to be right here. I put in my request within the kind a few years in the past, and so very joyful to lastly have my second.

Ashley:
That’s if the episode airs, however yeah, keep tuned.

Rob:
That’s proper. You guys will let me know on the finish, proper?

Ashley:
Yeah. So Rob, first, earlier than you go into your childhood, I suppose, who’re you?

Rob:
Okay. So my title is Rob Abasolo. I’m the co-host of the BiggerPockets Podcast and the Actual Property Present particularly. I’m a YouTuber, content material creator. I’m an actual property investor specializing on the planet of Airbnb, and I’ve been doing this for about seven years now and have gone from zero to a comparatively respectable portfolio that I’m actually pleased with that took a very long time to get right here, however couldn’t have completed it had I not had a couple of actually, actually laborious, tough, early life stepping into the actual property house. Is {that a} good introduction? Did I do it proper?

Ashley:
Sure, excellent. You’re on the precise path right here. Okay, so let’s return to your childhood. What was it like for you rising up and the way do you’re feeling that that molded you into the investor you might be at present?

Rob:
Completely. I grew up actually simply watching my dad and mom do the final word sacrifice, residing out the final word sacrifice for his or her children. And what I imply by that is my dad and my mother, they’re immigrants from Mexico. My dad was a physician in Mexico and my mother labored with them. I imagine she was a nurse and that’s how they met. It’s fairly the romantic story. And so they had an excellent, nice life in Mexico and I believe a very nice trajectory for the place they may go, however they needed to do this entire loopy factor of shifting to America and offering a greater life for his or her children, and that’s precisely what they did in my perspective.
I actually had no concept how tough it was financially for my dad and mom, rising up, as a result of as a child, you don’t actually see that factor. However what I did see was that my dad and mom had been at all times working. They had been at all times working second jobs. Lots of people would ask right here, why didn’t your dad simply transfer his license over to America? He was unable to. He didn’t communicate any English and he tried to maneuver his physician’s license over to America and he took the check twice and he failed, and it’s as a result of he actually simply was unable to do it as a result of not solely was he struggling to study English and do all that factor, however he’s additionally having to work a minimal wage job to essentially present for the household and every little thing like that. So I believe after a few occasions of giving {that a} shot, he simply determined to make the choice like, hey, I can’t hold pursuing this dream of changing into a physician in America. I’ve now received to bootstrap this factor, work jobs present for my household and every little thing like that.
And in order that was actually powerful for me as a result of I bear in mind pondering as a child that my dad is the neatest man I’ve ever recognized, and he would speak to me about well being and issues and physician stuff as a result of I suppose he didn’t actually get to speak about all of it that a lot at work, however he labored a minimal wage job for therefore lengthy. And I believe all of it clicked for me as a result of I bear in mind sooner or later, they had been bringing me to an workplace constructing at evening and I didn’t actually know what was occurring. It was like third or fourth grade. And my dad and mom had been working full-time jobs through the day, and as quickly as they completed these shifts, they’d principally come decide me up from college. I believe we’d eat after which they’d go work one other job as janitorial workers at these business buildings. And that was actually complicated for me as a result of I didn’t actually grasp it.
And thru this journey, I simply noticed them at all times doing various things to earn more money till finally, they went they usually purchased a home they usually began fixing it up and they might take me to the home each single day. And I bear in mind they offered it they usually flipped it and it was such an enormous deal for them as a result of I believe they made $20,000 or $25,000 and it was an enormous, enormous monumental second for my household. They went they usually did one other flip they usually made 20,000 or 25,000 and, once more, life-changing earnings for them.
After which finally, they go they usually go to a tax public sale they usually purchase this superb home within the heights of Houston, which is definitely, it’s a very, actually good a part of city they usually thought they received a as soon as in a lifetime deal, however I believe they didn’t actually know the English completely, the authorized phrases or something like that. And I noticed them principally purchase the liens on the home. They didn’t even purchase the home. They purchased the debt related to it or one thing. And so they put each single cent, every little thing they’d ever owned, any financial savings into this home till finally, the proprietor got here again and took it from them. And that was a disaster financially. They by no means moved on with actual property after that. That’s the place they had been like, “We will by no means do that once more.”
And I noticed this firsthand, and I bear in mind pondering at that second for me like, okay, my dad and mom got here right here. They lived the final word sacrifice for me. I didn’t actually perceive actual property however I used to be . They had been at all times telling me, hey, actual property, that is how folks turn out to be rich. And so they tried it they usually failed, and I felt it was my responsibility and my duty to hold on the torch and end what they began.

Tony:
Rob, first, thanks for being so clear along with your story. I believe lots of people come from related backgrounds the place they aren’t handed success on a silver platter they usually should grant it out. However one thing I’m interested in as a result of I see parallels in my very own life the place my dad and mom divorced after I was very younger. I spent most of my early life residing with my mother. She labored two jobs at a number of factors simply to maintain the lights on. I developed virtually this shortage mindset round cash as a result of issues had been at all times tight rising up. And I nonetheless see how that impacts me as an grownup in several methods. How has that impacted you? Your dad and mom got here throughout the border?

Rob:
Huge time.

Tony:
Yeah. Simply speak via that. How have you ever seen that play out as an grownup?

Rob:
So like I mentioned, after I was a child, I’ll give my dad and mom all of the credit score on the planet as a result of I had no concept that we had been poor. It’s laborious to even say that due to the life that they gave me and the way a lot they gave to at all times make it really feel okay for me as a child and secure as a child. However I do bear in mind there was this sooner or later, I got here residence after college, it was in seventh grade, and it’s truly after I had first met my now spouse however then my crush. I used to be texting with Ash, my spouse, 1000’s of occasions. This was again within the day when limitless knowledge plans didn’t exist. And I got here residence and my mother was bawling on the kitchen desk and I bear in mind being like, “What’s fallacious, mother?” And he or she was like, “You texted any person so many occasions, our invoice is $600 and we are able to’t afford this.”
That was a tough second for me as a result of I believe it was the primary time it clicked with me that it’s like $600 is every little thing for sure households. And in order that was that second the place I used to be like, “I’ll by no means let my household really feel like this once more and I’ll be sure that my household by no means feels this manner.”
And so it actually was these issues the place rising up after that, I used to be a budget man. I used to be the man that my mates made enjoyable of. I used to be the man that was at all times beginning aspect hustles. I bear in mind I fell for this infomercial one time that was referred to as the Biggest Vitamin within the World, and you’ll principally promote these nutritional vitamins for, it was a multivitamin for 20 bucks and if you happen to offered it to twenty folks, they’d offer you a thousand {dollars}. And I bear in mind at all times making an attempt these bizarre various things to simply earn cash. I’d be at work at my very first job and I’d look forward to the conferences at midday that had been catering lunch. I’d watch them from my desk or I’d ask my coworkers that had been subsequent to that assembly to alert me the second that that assembly was over in order that I might run to the kitchen and get free lunch.
My mates at all times made enjoyable of me for it, however for me, I simply at all times felt like I needed to at all times save each single greenback that I ever had. I needed to be tremendous low-cost in order that principally, I might stash my cash and hopefully put it in the direction of one thing that will construct one thing for me in a while. I’d by no means actually realized that finally, that will culminate into actual property.

Ashley:
That your mates made enjoyable of you for, you’re speaking highschool into maturity?

Rob:
Yeah, it was properly into maturity. It began in highschool. They might at all times be like, “Rob, you’re the deal man.” However then in my early a part of my promoting profession, that was it. And even till the top of my promoting profession, actually, till three or 4 years in the past, I used to be like this. And my very first promoting profession, I used to be making $40,000 a 12 months, which at the moment was every little thing. I used to be like, “Oh my, gosh. It’s probably the most cash I had ever made in my life.” And so I believed that getting this job, I used to be going to be financially free and impartial. My spouse was nannying. She was making $12 an hour. And it turned out that after all the bills, we simply didn’t have that a lot left over. And so I had at all times remembered my dad saying, “Hey, actual property is the best way. Actual property is the best way.”
And so we received a tax return finally that was 5,000 bucks or one thing, and I used to be like, “Let’s use this as a down fee for a house.” And principally, that tax return is what funded the very first home that I ever had, and we had been tremendous home poor, and that actually accelerated how low-cost I used to be at work and all that stuff as a result of we had been placing all the cash we ever had into our first home.

Ashley:
Are you able to give us slightly extra perception as to how invaluable you assume that was that you simply lived beneath your means as to you didn’t go and spend lavishly despite the fact that you bought this new profession as a $40,000 job, which on the time was some huge cash? So what recommendation are you able to give to our listeners as to how they’ll stay beneath their means? They will observe those self same rules of that frugality. And oftentimes, I believe frugality is appeared upon like, oh, I don’t wish to be frugal, however extra of it’s simply residing beneath your means and sustaining that steadiness of how to not have that way of life creep.

Rob:
Yeah, completely. Properly, my dad at all times mentioned sacrifice every little thing for a few years after which every little thing that drips from the tree is honey. That’s a free translation of what it was. He at all times mentioned it in Spanish, however principally that at all times caught with me that it was completely okay to stay cheaply, proper? As a result of in school, as a child, I didn’t have rather a lot, and so it wasn’t actually the most important adjustment for me to get a full-time job as a result of I used to be at all times tremendous afraid of not having something. And so for me, I at all times felt it was price it to sacrifice consolation, sacrifice mates, sacrifice social life greater than something. And my spouse was on board too.
And I want I might say that there was an enormous technique right here. I simply knew that we didn’t have cash to spend and so there was no purpose to spend it. There have been so many moments initially of my profession in actual property life the place my spouse would go spend 5 bucks at Goal and actually immediately, 5 minutes out … as a result of I used to be checking my financial institution assertion each single day. I’d textual content her and I’d say, “What did you purchase at Goal?” On a regular basis. And that’s embarrassing for me, however we simply didn’t have it. So we had been at all times making an attempt to stash away each greenback as a result of I used to be simply on the lookout for the chance that it might strike.

Tony:
One factor I wish to add right here, Rob, is that you simply talked about taking that first tax return and utilizing that as your seed cash, and we’ve heard that story from numerous folks. Ashley Hamilton, she’s the Detroit investor.

Rob:
Yeah. She’s superior.

Tony:
She has some tremendous widespread podcasts on the Actual Property Present. You guys ought to return and hearken to hers, however that’s how she began, together with her tax return. I suppose let me ask this one query. For lots of people, it’s straightforward to get … For some folks, that’s the most important test they get yearly, is their tax return. How tempting was it for you I suppose to go put that into one thing else versus investing into actual property? And the way did you’ve the self-discipline to make use of it in the direction of one thing that was actually going to learn you long run?

Rob:
So this was one thing that actually clicked for me in school as a result of I bear in mind my finest good friend, my roommates, we had been paying a lot cash in lease. I believe our place was two or 3,000 bucks. And I bear in mind one time senior 12 months, I used to be like, “Man, I’m wondering how a lot I’ve paid in lease.” And I calculated that through the years, me and my roommate had principally paid 50 or $60,000 of lease to landlords principally. And I bear in mind pondering, granted, I didn’t understand how amortization labored at the moment, however I used to be like, “Man, $60,000. I might have purchased a $150,000 home and solely owe $90,000.” Clearly, with curiosity, it’s not precisely the way it was, however that did click on for me. That was one thing that was so clear that I used to be paying a lot cash however by no means truly getting a profit aside from clearly a spot to stay.
And so I bear in mind shifting to Kansas Metropolis for my first job, the one I used to be telling you about in promoting, and I used to be renting a spot for 800 bucks a month, and it was a small 4 or 500 sq. foot place. It was a two-one. So these rooms had been tiny, and it was me and my spouse and our two canine, and we had been crammed in there. I bear in mind being so fed up with being crammed on this tiny place, and I used to be paying 800 bucks and I mathed it out and I used to be like, “Man, we’re successfully paying $9,600 a 12 months, and I’ve been paying lease for the previous three years.” And the entire calculation got here up once more. And certainly one of my coworkers was like, “Yeah. Me and my finest good friend purchased our home in school and we owned half of it outright.” And he clicked this entire factor with me that, oh my gosh, I wasn’t loopy for pondering that. Somebody truly had completed it.
And so understanding the thought early on of constructing fairness in one thing and never simply dumping cash into lease was truly a comparatively easy resolution. And so I pitched my spouse, I mentioned, “Hey, we simply received this tax return. We’re paying 800 bucks a month. You understand what could be actually cool is that if we had been paying $800 a month in the direction of a mortgage, however we personal it, and as soon as it’s paid off, it’ll be price some huge cash.” And he or she was like, “Are you positive? Is that this one thing we are able to afford?” I used to be like, “Positively not, however we must always speak to a banker.” And the banker was like, “Okay, you possibly can barely afford this. Are you positive you wish to do it? Like wink wink, you don’t wish to do it.” And I’m like, “Signal me up.”
And so actually early on, I believe the precept … I didn’t know what fairness was. I didn’t perceive the mechanics of it. I simply knew that this concept of proudly owning a home would offer freedom for me as a result of I knew conceptually that after that home was paid off, I had one thing that I might then promote and get all the cash again out. I didn’t learn about refi. I didn’t learn about money outs or something like that. So for me, I used to be like, properly, what am I going to do with the $5,000? I suppose I’ll exit to eat or one thing like that. However for me, I used to be like, no, we must always purchase a home.

Tony:
Rob, speak us via that first deal, man. When you satisfied your spouse to take this leap of religion, what are the following steps you took? What did that first deal truly appear like?

Rob:
Yeah, positive. So this home was $159,000, which was actually rather a lot for us.

Tony:
And what market was that?

Rob:
This was Kansas Metropolis, Missouri.

Tony:
Kansas Metropolis, okay.

Rob:
Yeah, yeah.

Tony:
Really, enjoyable reality. I truly simply discovered final 12 months that there’s a Kansas Metropolis in Kansas and a Missouri. So yeah, I’m at all times studying one thing new. I’m geographically challenged.

Rob:
So Missouri is the cool aspect.

Tony:
Okay.

Rob:
So there’s a distinction. There’s a distinction. Whenever you go on the market, persons are at all times like, are you on the Kansas aspect or the Missouri aspect? They’re each nice. I’m simply messing with all of the folks, however Missouri, for positive, for positive, for positive.
Anyway, so I purchase this home $159,000 and our price range was 125, and we struck out. We saved placing out. It’s humorous. Actual property is that this actually bizarre boomerang the place you strike out, you get demotivated and then you definately cease. We had placed on affords. Nothing actually match our purchase field. And so we had been similar to, you realize what? Let’s simply take two weeks and let’s simply take a break. Perhaps the home looking isn’t for us. And I bear in mind getting on Craigslist, of all locations, and I discovered a home that was $159,000, and I checked out it, and it was in an excellent neighborhood and it was all transformed.
And I woke my spouse up and I used to be like, “Babe, test this out. I believe that is the one.” It was a man that was a flipper that flipped it and he didn’t wish to use a realtor, so he listed it on Craigslist. And it’s humorous as a result of I had given up. I took per week or a two-week break, and I made a decision to simply look as a result of I used to be like, yeah, why not really feel the ache over again? And I discover this deal, and it finally ends up being the home that we purchase. It was over price range however simply one thing about it felt like residence. I knew that. And so we purchase this home, and the mortgage is a thousand {dollars}, and it’s about 150, 200 bucks greater than what we had been paying however for me, it felt proper, and so we purchase it.
After which it dawns on me. I’ve this loopy concept. My buddy was serious about working in promoting. He was residing in Austin on the time, and we had been on the lookout for interns at our job. And I used to be like, “Dude, you must apply for the internship.” And he was like, “Properly, the place am I going to stay?” I’m like, “You possibly can stay with us.” And he was like, “Actually?” And I used to be like, “Yeah, man, it’s going to be nice. You would pay us 400 bucks a month. All payments paid.” And I had came across to this unimaginable idea that nobody else had ever completed earlier than the place you lease your home out to different folks to subsidize the mortgage. And so it was loopy that I used to be the primary individual to ever uncover home hacking, no less than to me. I had no concept.

Ashley:
Rob, I’ve to ask, did you supply this to your good friend earlier than you ran it by your spouse or did you no less than ask her first?

Rob:
I did run it by her, however he was a great good friend. He was like a mutual … He was an usher in our wedding ceremony so it was a reasonably straightforward promote.

Ashley:
Yeah.

Rob:
But in addition, it’s a type of issues the place it’s like, sure, I requested my spouse, however I used to be additionally like, “We want this financially to get better from every little thing else we’ve ever gone via.” And so she was like, “Okay, all proper. Let’s do it.”

Ashley:
Did you do a contract or a lease settlement?

Rob:
No.

Ashley:
Something formal?

Rob:
No.

Ashley:
It was simply … Okay.

Rob:
No, undoubtedly not. Don’t observe my footsteps right here, however I didn’t. However he was similar to, “How do I pay?” I used to be like, “How about Venmo?” And he was like, “Yeah, positive.” And I bear in mind getting that first Venmo for 400 bucks and being like, I personal actual property. I used to be like, I felt so wealthy. I bear in mind 400 bucks off of a thousand {dollars} was $600, which is $200 cheaper than my lease. I used to be successful. I used to be successful life. And so then I began pondering like, oh, okay, I’ve received this thousand sq. foot basement downstairs. What if I renovated that? It’s a moist basement. Lots of basements in Kansas Metropolis, they’re all moist basements so you possibly can’t actually end them out except you do a number of costly work. And we additionally didn’t have the cash to do it.

Tony:
Wait, Rob. So for us Californians that don’t perceive basements, what’s a moist basement and why is that completely different from an everyday basement?

Rob:
So principally, from my understanding of it, all the bottom, all of the soil, it’s simply significantly damp. It snows rather a lot, for instance, in Kansas Metropolis so there’s at all times snow soften. All of it seeps into the bottom. And my basis was cinder block, which is tremendous porous. So principally, it simply implies that it’s not a dry surroundings, and thus if you happen to put drywall over your partitions, it begins to get moist and moldy principally.

Ashley:
We see that quite common within the Buffalo space too, particularly with older constructed properties that the foundations are like that too the place it’s damp and moist down there. Yeah.

Rob:
I’m actually glad you mentioned that as a result of for the previous week, I’ve been making an attempt to recollect who I talked about buffalo wings with and going to Buffalo, after which that individual was like, “Oh yeah, they’re actually good right here.” It was you.

Ashley:
I do know. And I’m going to in a single day you some Bar-Invoice wings, which I believe are higher than every other wings. So yeah. Simply despatched me your tackle.

Rob:
Oh, man, I’m so glad we figured this out. Okay. Oh, my tackle is 555 Predominant Avenue … I’m simply kidding. So I don’t find yourself ending out this basement. However the $400 a month factor simply received me hooked on earning profits as a result of it clicked with me that it wasn’t simply $400 off of a thousand bucks. It was like $400 off of what I thought-about my freedom. I felt like if I might get my mortgage again or what I used to be paying, if I might save that each month, that was freedom as a result of then I had a thousand bucks to exit and eat with my spouse.
For instance, for reference, enjoyable reality about me, I really like Chipotle, all people is aware of this. However for the primary eight years of my relationship with Chipotle, I straight up solely ever purchased rice. It was 67 cents. I’d go to Chipotle and I’d say, “Hey, can I get rice in a bowl?” And so they’re like, “You don’t need anything?” I’m like, “That’s all I can afford for now, however thanks.” And so home hacking was the primary time that I might be like, “You understand what? Sure, I’ll take the complete entree for $8 as a result of I can afford it now.”
And so I used to be actually sprinting to determine how I might offset my mortgage. And I do not forget that subsequent twist for me was like, all proper, properly, how can I earn more money? And so I believe a number of actual property traders, they fall into this habit the place it’s like, oh my gosh, sponsored mortgage. How do I fully knock it out? I bear in mind wanting to purchase this pipe industrial espresso desk off of Etsy and it was $800, and I used to be like, that’s loopy. This will need to have been $50 to make this. And so I made a decision to construct my very own, and I used to be down there for 3 weeks and I used to be constructing it, and I bear in mind my spouse was hanging out together with her mates in the lounge and I introduced it up they usually had been all tremendous impressed, each single certainly one of them. My spouse was like, “You constructed this?” I used to be like, “Yeah.”

Ashley:
What good timing in your half to convey it up whereas she has all her mates over. Right here’s my masterpiece.

Rob:
However they had been all drooling over it. They’re like, “That is superb.” And so I used to be like, okay, they actually gave me the boldness to … I used to be like, properly, let me simply see what occurs after I checklist this on Craigslist. And somebody messaged me the following day and I offered it for 400 bucks. And I used to be like, what? I could make $400 doing this.

Ashley:
Yeah.

Rob:
And so I turned my basement into principally a furnishings wooden store for the higher a part of a 12 months and a half, perhaps two years. Each evening after work, I’d get residence at 5 or 6, I’d eat dinner with my spouse, and I’d go downstairs from seven to 1, and I used to be simply making furnishings and I used to be promoting it on Etsy and making an additional, it wasn’t rather a lot, but it surely was 800 bucks a month.
And so it wasn’t actually a home hack as a result of I used to be renting out the room, however in a way, I used to be making an attempt to determine how else I might make earnings with this property on this basement that was fully empty. It was a thousand sq. toes, the identical dimension of my home. This was it. And so I used to be making one other 800 bucks right here, and by this level, I’m principally breaking even on my mortgage. I received 1,200 coming in, payments and bills and every little thing like that. And so this created this habit for me the place I used to be like, okay, no mortgage means I can let it trip slightly bit and hold pushing that cash into the following challenge.

Ashley:
So is that the way you funded your workshop there? Did you are taking the cash you had been saving from not paying the additional $400 to your mortgage, and had been you placing that to construct out this workshop or was there probably not a number of expense to beginning this furnishings enterprise?

Rob:
No. I did how each woodworker did the place we’re simply doing a number of actually laborious guide work that’d be rather a lot simpler with an $80 instrument factor. And so anytime I had a brand new challenge, I’d be like, all proper, I’m going to purchase a planer or I’m going to purchase a joiner. I’m going to purchase this or that. And so this all finally culminates as a result of we love our home. Lastly, I don’t wish to say we’re feeling comfy as a result of as a lot as I wish to glorify this a part of my story, we had been nonetheless residing what I thought-about to be paycheck to paycheck. I believe in spite of everything of our bills … Proper earlier than this, we had lower than a thousand {dollars} each month to our title after our mortgage, pupil loans, which had been a thousand bucks a month. After which, what was it? Oh, bank cards. I believe we had been 15, $20,000 in bank card debt.
So sure, all of this was nice and it was paying my mortgage, however that is the place the habit is available in as a result of I’m like, oh, this novel idea of working laborious outdoors of your 9 to 5 and making extra money to repay your liabilities, that’s what was actually firing off in my thoughts. And so I used to be simply making an attempt to at all times discover little issues right here and there to determine, issues that I might do to make an additional 100 or 200 bucks. And in order that was my model or my persona in my early company life.

Ashley:
Did you have already got that concept if you began the furnishings enterprise that that is one thing quick time period, you don’t wish to have workshop ceaselessly in your basement? Or had been you simply pondering day-to-day like, that is superior, that is nice, with no exit technique of, okay, I must get extra passive investments or extra actual property in order that I don’t should have this workshop in my basement? What was your mindset early on doing that enterprise?

Rob:
Yeah. So it was like a, hey, that is nice. I find it irresistible. I really like earning profits. And I believe I simply realized that it was tough for me to scale that enterprise and have a 9 to 5 job as a result of it was taking me actually, there have been nights, there have been respectable nights the place I’d get completed making my furnishings after which I’d come upstairs and my spouse was preparing for work as a result of she awakened at 5 or 6, and he or she’s like, “You’re barely going to mattress.” I’m like, “Yeah, I couldn’t determine the way to make this desk or no matter.”
So no, I didn’t essentially have this long-term enterprise for it. I believe what occurred in the direction of the top as I used to be getting burnout as anybody would, my spouse and I simply felt like Kansas Metropolis was actually nice for us. We had no concept it was going to be this superb metropolis, however we had been like, “Let’s do one thing else. Let’s go on to regardless of the subsequent factor is.” And we had been nonetheless actually broke. We had been making it work. Home poor is absolutely the easiest way to place it. However I do bear in mind we had been like, “Properly, what ought to we do?” And we’re like, “All proper, let’s map it out. We’re actually broke. We don’t have some huge cash. How about we transfer to LA?” And we had been like, “Yeah, that appears like an excellent concept.” And that’s precisely what we did. We moved to LA after three or 4 years of residing in Kansas Metropolis.

Ashley:
And did you purchase a property there or did you lease it?

Rob:
Properly, initially, we rented. I went again into the identical entice of like, okay, I purchased this … I rented this 660 sq. foot house. It was a one bed room, one bathtub. It was my spouse and I, and it was means smaller than the home that we had offered as a result of in my home, I had an 1,100 sq. foot home, a thousand sq. foot basement, and I’m paying $1,800, 1849 as a result of they had been charging me pet lease on this house for six months. And it simply actually made me sick to my abdomen. One thing didn’t really feel proper that I felt like I had regressed. And granted, we weren’t struggling fairly as a lot at this level as a result of we had gotten actually large important raises at our job, every of us, and so we had been truly doing okay for the primary time, but it surely simply felt bizarre paying $1,800 to somebody and by no means getting hit again.
And so about six months in, I’m similar to, “You understand what? Let’s purchase a home.” And my spouse was like, “We will’t afford that.” And I used to be like, “We undoubtedly can’t.” However right here’s what occurred. We offered our home in Kansas Metropolis for $215,000, and that was loopy for us as a result of we listed it for 195. Bear in mind, we purchased it for 159. We listed it for 195. We received three affords the primary day, and certainly one of them was $215,000. And sadly, it didn’t appraise. I believe, I don’t know, we ended up assembly within the center at 208. However in spite of everything of our closing charges, our commissions, all that stuff, we had a revenue of $40,000 from that home and we owned it for 2 years.
And so I believe that not solely was that groundbreaking as a result of it was probably the most cash I had ever had in my life in my checking account, my spouse and I. Nevertheless it was like, oh, wow, this all occurred as a result of I invested $5,000 or 6,000, no matter three and a half % is of 159,000. We purchased a home with that. And granted that we simply occurred to be in Kansas Metropolis at a time the place it was exploding, however we made $40,000 from this home in two years. That was my wage. That was a life-changing amount of cash.
However whereas we had been shifting to LA, my spouse was like, “Properly, hey babe, you’ve received $40,000 in pupil mortgage debt. Do you wish to simply pay it off?” And I used to be like, “No, I don’t assume so.” And he or she was like, “Why? You’re at all times complaining about we are able to’t afford the thousand greenback fee and this and that and if you happen to do that” … And I used to be like, “I do know, I do know, however I simply really feel like there’s one thing we are able to do with this $40,000 that isn’t paying off my pupil loans. And I do know it’s loopy, however I believe we received to take a seat on this cash. I believe we simply should determine one thing else out with it.” And he or she’s like, “All proper, if you happen to really feel that means.” I used to be like, “I do. I actually do.”
And so we lease this house and we’re residing there for six months, and the $40,000 is simply decaying in our checking account, paying this mortgage. And in order that’s the place I had this concept. I used to be like, “Let’s purchase this home.” My spouse is like, “I don’t know if we are able to afford it.” I used to be like, “I don’t both, however we do have sufficient for a 3 and a half % down fee with an FHA mortgage.” And I used to be like, “I believe we must always strive it.”
And so identical kind of factor. We begin the home hunt and every little thing in LA, by the best way, is a really costly marketplace for anybody that doesn’t know. And our price range was 450,000, which was very laughable even for that point. So we struck out, struck out, struck out, actually simply heartbroken. And I believe early on, I simply realized the primary lesson you must ever study in actual property is to by no means get married to your home, by no means get excited, by no means get your hopes up till you might be on the closing desk and also you shut on that home as a result of so many issues can occur earlier than then. And so we saved falling in love with these homes and we saved shedding them, and we tried writing the letter, we did every little thing, and we simply misplaced over and over and over. And I believe we gave up, we did.
And we’re residing in our house, no matter, we’ve got six months left on our lease. After which guess what? Similar precise factor. Every week later, our realtor calls us and is like, “Hey, I’ve received this off market property.” And I used to be like, “Okay, inform me extra.” And he or she’s like, “And it’s received a basement beneath and you may lease the basement.” And I used to be like, “Oh my, gosh. We did it. That’s completely what we want.” As a result of after I was trying in LA, I used to be on the lookout for one thing that I might home hack with. I had discovered this precept early on and I used to be like, all proper, if I’m going to pay a $4,000 mortgage, I’ve to earn cash another means or else I’m going to be paying a ton of cash in mortgage each month.
And so the realtor calls, she’s like, “I’ve received this home with not even a … it’s like a bonus house, 279 sq. toes.” And I bear in mind strolling in and being like, all proper, wants a number of work, but it surely was precisely what we wanted, and it was $624,000, which was embarrassing on the time as a result of once we closed on this home, I couldn’t … Look. I used to be scared to inform my household. I used to be scared to inform my mates. I used to be scared to inform my coworkers how a lot this home prices as a result of I knew that they’d assume both, wow, he should make some huge cash if he can afford that, or he’s an fool for spending that a lot cash on a home. And actually, that was most likely the case. It was so silly for me to try this.
However I simply knew that, once more, if I might simply determine how another person might pay my mortgage, it labored for me as soon as. I purchased this home in Kansas Metropolis. I made $40,000 on it. And I used to be like, if I simply hold doing that, finally I’ll have some huge cash, I believe. And so we purchase this home, and I had calculated that if I rented that little 279 sq. foot studio on Airbnb, on this loopy platform the place folks pay you each evening to sleep in your home, I bear in mind pondering, if I might do this, I believe I might make 50 to 75% of my mortgage. And in order that was laying the center on the desk to my spouse. I used to be like, “I believe we are able to do that. Imagine in me such as you at all times have. And if you happen to do, we’re going to make it work.” And that’s what we did. We purchased the home.

Tony:
A few issues I wish to level out that you simply talked about. First, you talked slightly bit about, hey, you had this lump of money that you can have used to repay your pupil mortgage debt. Simply off the highest of your head, ballpark, what was the rate of interest in your pupil mortgage debt?

Rob:
So a number of them had been authorities sponsored so I had curiosity that was wherever from two and a half to a few and a half % principally.

Tony:
Tremendous low curiosity debt. Proper?

Rob:
Yeah.

Tony:
And dude, I used to be truly simply studying an article this morning about Jay-Z and Beyonce. They’re billionaires, they usually purchased this $88 million mansion in Bel Air someplace. And a billionaire, Jay-Z and Beyonce might most likely have the money to simply purchase that outright, however they even received a mortgage once they purchased that property. They put down 35 million, however they nonetheless had a mortgage for, what’s that, $53 million. And if you happen to see Jay Z and Beyonce leveraging debt in a sensible means, it’s as a result of they know even at a 6% rate of interest, in the event that they received 53 million in money with their title, with their companies, they may exit and 10X that cash in the event that they needed to.

Rob:
Yeah.

Tony:
So for the rookies which might be listening, I believe there’s one thing to contemplate as properly the place you need do the mathematics and perceive, okay, if I’ve received pupil mortgage debt at 2%, however I can go and make investments this into actual property and get 10% or 12% or 15% or 20%, which one makes extra sense for me financially long run? It does take slightly little bit of braveness, which I believe Rob is one thing you’ve proven that you’ve got, however for lots of people, it’s the proper alternative financially.
That takes to my subsequent level that you simply’ve completed a very good job all through this story, Rob, of taking considerably calculated dangers. The primary funding, it was, hey, we’re paying $800 in lease. Can we stretch it to get to a thousand {dollars} in our mortgage? Okay, then how can we subsidize that? Then you definitely get this proof of idea in a cheaper market in Kansas Metropolis, and also you say, okay, how can we now replicate this in a costlier market like Los Angeles? So that you didn’t bounce off the deep finish and go from, hey, I’m renting an $800 house in Kansas Metropolis to I’m shopping for a $600,000 home in LA. There have been steps in between.
So I believe for our rookies, as you’re listening to Rob’s story, the issues which might be necessary so that you can take away are what are the infant steps you can begin taking in the identical means that Rob did to begin proving out that idea to just remember to’re not overextending your self?
After which the very last thing, Rob, and that is the place I need your enter, you’ve mentioned the identical phrase a few occasions now, however you mentioned that you simply pitched to your spouse. I believe I’ve heard you say it two or 3 times now. And I believe for lots of our rookies, that’s the problem that they’ve is how do I get my partner on board with these loopy concepts that I’ve? So from you, Rob, and your expertise, why do you assume you had been in a position to get your spouse to be supportive of those large steps that you simply needed to take because it got here to actual property investing?

Rob:
To start with, I used to be in promoting, so every little thing I did was a pitch in life, at work and every little thing like that. However actually, I believe you’re so proper in that these are all calculated dangers. And every little thing is predicated on expertise. It’s by no means like I simply went and did one thing, aside from shopping for the primary home with no expertise, every little thing was at all times leveling up accordingly. There was one management variable in each single threat or each single experiment that I ever took. And that management variable was me. I knew what I might do. I knew that after I need one thing, I’ll make it occur. And I believed in myself each step of the best way.
And I believe if I had most likely approached that dialog with my spouse like, hey, I don’t assume I’m good at this, however I’m going to do it.” She most likely would have been like, “Properly, let’s take a breather, champ.” However I believe her simply seeing how critical I used to be, it wasn’t like I used to be ever like, hey, yeah, I don’t know. Let’s simply do that. It was at all times like, hey, let’s do that as a result of I genuinely imagine it’s going to alter our life. I believe it was simply laborious for her to see every other different as a result of she was so offered in as properly like, okay, hey, you’ve completed proper by me alongside the best way, and also you’re going to proceed to try this, and so let’s do that factor.
She was at all times the individual that was … I at all times say this. I’m an astronaut outdoors of the House Station floating round in house, and Ash was my tether. She retains me connected to the ship so I don’t float away in house. So I at all times had little issues or no matter, and after I wasn’t tremendous assured in these issues, she’d be like, “I believe you don’t even imagine this.” I’m like, “Yeah, you’re proper.” However for the stuff that I’m for actual on, she was at all times on board 100%.

Tony:
Robin, I believe that’s such an necessary distinction as a result of once more, we get requested this query usually from rookies which might be followers of the podcast which might be doing every little thing, they usually’re like, “Hey, how can I get my partner on board?” And a number of it comes all the way down to you asking your self, have I actually earned my companion’s belief and respect to get on with this concept of actual property investing?

Rob:
Completely.

Tony:
Ash and I had a dialog, your spouse and I had a dialog, I believe it was at your occasion or one of many occasions that I noticed her in individual., and we had been speaking about beginning this little health competitors with one another. I used to be laughing. I used to be like, “Oh, no matter. I’m going to beat Rob at this, that and the opposite.” And he or she says one thing to me that caught out to me, and he or she checked out me, she’s like, “I don’t know, Tony. When Rob actually places his thoughts to one thing, I don’t assume anybody can actually beat him.” And that’s one thing that you simply’ve proven and confirmed all through your whole relationship to your spouse for her to have that belief and religion and confidence in you.
So for all of our rookies which might be listening, in case your partner isn’t on board, I believe one of many issues you should do is look within the mirror and say, okay, why haven’t I earned that assist from my partner?

Rob:
Yeah. Wow, that’s very nice of her. That’s the nicest factor she’s ever mentioned. No, I’m simply kidding. I’m going to take her out tonight. Truthfully, it’s so touching that-

Ashley:
It’s, actually.

Rob:
… she says so good issues about me behind my again. Isn’t that the way it must be, by the best way? Oh, man. Thanks for sharing.

Tony:
No, after all, man. Properly, let’s hold the story going, brother. So you bought the home hack in KC. You bought the home hack in LA. You’re shopping for this home, however you even have the house. So are you simply breaking your lease or what are you doing with the house if you transfer into the home?

Rob:
Proper, proper, proper. Okay. In order that was that large dialog that I had together with her. I used to be like, “Let’s purchase this home.” And he or she’s like, “What in regards to the house? It’s like 1,800 bucks. We have now six months left on the lease.” And I used to be like, “All proper, sure, I hear that and permit me to rebuttal.” There may be this web site, it’s referred to as Airbnb, and if you happen to put your house on it, folks pays you 100 bucks an evening. And so this was all of the wild west. We had no concept what Airbnb was, if it was going to work. And he or she was like, “Properly, do you assume it’ll work?” And I used to be like, “We rented our home long run for 400 bucks in Kansas Metropolis, and LA is well 4 occasions costlier. So in idea, I ought to be capable to make much more.”
And so we purchase this home with the intention of Airbnbing the little studio house that I informed you about. And so I used to be confronted with this resolution. I used to be like, all proper, properly, I’ve to both break my lease and pay 8,000 bucks or I might sublease it and simply break even. However I used to be so on this idea of, okay, what if I listed on Airbnb and I might make a delta, the in-between? If I’ve this lease at 1,800 bucks, if I’m charging 100 {dollars} an evening, 18 nights later, I’m breaking even. So if I can e-book it for 20 nights or 24 nights, I’ll make all that juice afterwards. And so actually, it was dangerous. I didn’t know something about Airbnb, however I used to be like, properly, the choice is I let the lease run out and I simply pay 1,800 bucks each month. So I ended up itemizing that house on Airbnb. Once more, this was seven years in the past.

Ashley:
So was there no rule in your lease settlement that you simply couldn’t do this then?

Rob:
There most likely was. I don’t know. I do bear in mind going to the leasing agent and being like, “Hey, yeah, so Airbnb, do folks do this right here? Do you all care?” And he or she was like, “Yeah, typically they don’t actually.” And I used to be like, nice, adequate for me. And I ran off. And I bear in mind pondering now on reflection, it’s very humorous to me as a result of that property, that leasing agent undoubtedly making, I don’t know, 10, 12 bucks an hour, doesn’t truly care in regards to the administration of the place. She’s simply clocking in and creating leases and stuff.
And likewise, she most likely didn’t actually even know, this was 2017, and I didn’t both. I didn’t notice, oh, that could be a legal responsibility for flats or something like that. So in my thoughts, I felt like, yeah, hey, so that you don’t care. And so they’re like, no, probably not. And I used to be like, all proper, sounds good.
That was the primary one I ever did. However after that lease ran out, we moved on to truly … I believe I found out fairly rapidly that if I wish to scale and do that, I received to personal the actual property. And in order that ended up being very true all through the remainder of my profession. However I used to be in a position to principally earn cash from that first house. And it did, once more, set off this spark in my thoughts of like, oh my gosh, I might use different folks’s property and checklist that and earn cash off of that. After which on high of that, I’ve received this home in LA that I purchased. My mortgage was $4,400. And the catch was that it was a whole fixer-upper and I needed to renovate that studio.
And for lots of people at residence, you might not know this, however if you purchase a mortgage or if you purchase a home, you don’t actually get your first mortgage for a month to 2 months. It takes some time for it to course of and for that first one to hit.

Ashley:
Like your first fee due.

Rob:
Your first fee, precisely. And so I had closed, we had calculated it with the mortgage dealer on the precise day that will principally give us 50 to 60 days to do it. And so I knew. I purchase this home, and it’s a ticking time bomb earlier than that first $4,400 mortgage goes to hit. And I used to be like, I must fully rework this 279 sq. foot studio earlier than I can checklist it on Airbnb, and I don’t have a number of time to do it. And so I’m going in and I’m like, I don’t actually know a lot. I had began doing a little DIY kind of stuff in Kansas Metropolis. I had constructed furnishings, and so I felt like I might do it. I used to be like, I believe I can graduate onto transforming slightly studio.
And so each evening after work, and my job was an hour away from my home, it was solely three miles away as a result of it’s freaking LA. However I’d get residence at 7:00, 7:30, go get my spouse a kiss, perhaps slightly hug, after which run over to Residence Depot, purchase no matter drywall or no matter I wanted. I’d get a Crimson Bull and I’d get bitter cream and cheddar Ruffles, and I’d go down into that studio till 4:00 or 5:00 within the morning each single evening for 2 months. And I demoed it. I took all the bottom out, and I had gotten all of it just about gutted to the place it wanted to be.
And I bear in mind pondering, all proper, now I simply should tile this dangerous boy and I’m good to go. And so I purchase this tile that’s three hours away but it surely was a great deal, and I drive to Lancaster, California or one thing. I don’t bear in mind. It was two hours away. And I get all this tile. I load it up behind my automobile. I drive residence and I’m like, all proper, time to tile this lower than 300 sq. foot studio. And I began tiling it, and my spouse is like, once more, it’s morning, and he or she comes down and he or she’s like, “That is all you’ve tiled?” I used to be like, “What do you imply? That is artwork, babe.” I had solely tiled 4 by 4. I had no concept the way to do something. And I had solely tiled 16 sq. toes and my again damage. And I used to be like, oh my gosh, I did fail at this. I believed I might do something, however I did fail at this.

Ashley:
How did you even know what to do although and the place to begin? Did you YouTube it or how do you know what supplies to purchase?

Rob:
I did. I did. I YouTubed it, and all of the YouTube movies, these freaking YouTubers, they at all times make it appear rather a lot simpler after which the man is like, “All you must do is again butter and then you definately again butter right here and also you place it down.” I used to be like, oh, I might do this. This previous home. Thanks. I attempted it, however no, it’s not. Tiling is … I’ve the utmost respect for each tilers and their backs as a result of that was a really tough factor. So I knew early on, okay, hey, name it in if you … Fold when you realize you possibly can’t play the hand. And I used to be like, I’m not going to learn to tile. That isn’t my reward. That isn’t my expertise. And so I ended up hiring that out.
The man involves my home, actually laughs on the job. He goes, “That is it?” I used to be like, “Yeah.” He’s like, “This took you eight hours?” And I used to be like, “Sure.” And he was actually simply very insulting, however he was additionally 500 bucks. And I bear in mind being like, “500? Are you kidding me? Growth, let’s do it.” I don’t have it, but it surely’s so price it for me.

Tony:
That was good of him to nonetheless offer you sincere pricing as a result of for lots of tilers, in the event that they got here in and noticed that you simply did that little sq. for eight hours, they’d been like, “Hey, perhaps 3,000 bucks to tile the remainder of them. Yeah, that’s an excellent deal truly.”

Rob:
And at that second, I most likely would have completed it. He does it and he does it in lower than eight hours. It was loopy how briskly he did it.
It is a enjoyable little story about this entire factor, slightly enjoyable incontrovertible fact that I truly simply realized once we had been planning this out. The very first YouTube video that I had ever needed to make was of this studio. And I truly set a digicam up and documented the entire course of from begin to end. And I bear in mind that footage and saying, “That is absolute rubbish.” And I closed my pc and I put that footage out. I believe I deleted it. And I used to be so hung up on having an ideal product that I by no means went on to truly edit it or submit it to YouTube. And the explanation I inform that story is as a result of I’m a YouTuber now, the Robuilt channel. And the very first video I made for that actually wasn’t that significantly better than that first one I had ever made. However the distinction is there was a seven-year delay in between each of these, between my first YouTube video now and the one which I by no means revealed.
And so I at all times like to inform folks, if you happen to’re desirous about documenting your journey, there are such a lot of advantages to doing that. There are such a lot of advantages. You get folks to know you and perceive you and belief you, folks in your sphere who may wish to make investments with you. And I misplaced out on seven years of these relationships as a result of I used to be so scared to place myself on the market with an imperfect product. And had I completed it earlier, who is aware of? Perhaps the Robuilt channel would’ve existed seven years earlier and my life could be much more completely different than it’s now. I don’t remorse it. I’m pleased with the place issues are, but it surely’s simply humorous to me that me, of all folks, was so afraid of posting my first YouTube video.
And so just a bit encouragement for these of you which have created that Instagram account or no matter, doc the journey, don’t be afraid to fail. I wasn’t afraid to fail on the DIY aspect. I used to be afraid to fail on the content material aspect, however do it. Put your self on the market as a result of it opens some fairly loopy doorways.

Ashley:
And there’s any person that’s going to take worth from it, somebody that’s going to understand what you’re sharing alongside your journey too.

Rob:
Yeah.

Tony:
Rob, so simply to complete issues off, so that you get this little studio tiled. I’m assuming you then launched that property onto Airbnb as properly. So that you get the house unit that you simply’re arbitraging principally. You get your basement unit that you simply’re renting out on Airbnb as properly. I suppose the query is, can you cowl your mortgage, this new $4,400 mortgage with the earnings coming in from these two items?

Rob:
Oh yeah, child. Are you kidding me? It was nice. Man, I used to be residing the life at that second as a result of not so … In Kansas Metropolis, I used to be saving the thousand {dollars}. My reference level in LA was my $1,800 mortgage or $1,800 lease in that house. So then shopping for the home is a $4,400 mortgage. Yeah. So studio finally ends up completely panning out. Actually, I’m hanging up curtains and screwing the ultimate screw into the wall. Airbnb visitor knocks on the door and checks in they usually’re like, “Oh, hey.” I’m like, “Oh, I’m so sorry. That is my first time doing this. I’m simply getting prepare, blah, blah, blah.”
And in order that finally ends up, yeah, principally ended up making two to $3,000 a month on that studio. After which the house that I used to be arbitraging was making one to $2,000 revenue. And so principally on an ideal month, I used to be making extra money than my mortgage. And that was like, oh, I figured it out once more. And it’s addicting as a result of when you possibly can end that, determine that puzzle, you simply wish to hold going to the following hardest puzzle.

Tony:
And Rob, I really like that you simply ended on that, man, as a result of that’s precisely what you’ve been doing. I discussed this earlier, but it surely’s such as you check an concept, then you definately increase it, you check an concept, then you definately increase it. Since you had the KC property, you home hacked, then you definately went to LA, you home hacked once more however this time with Airbnb, then you definately did the rental arbitrage. We didn’t actually get into this, however you additionally constructed the tiny residence in your yard in LA, but it surely was a paired down model and then you definately rebuilt that very same tiny residence in Joshua Tree however a a lot greater, nicer model.
In order that’s simply been what you’ve completed constantly all through your profession, Rob, is you check one thing smaller, then you perform a little bit greater, then you definately go slightly bit greater, then you definately go slightly bit greater. And I believe that, if something, is the large takeaway from our rookies which might be listening at present, man. However dude, thanks for sharing your story, man. We by no means actually get to dive in like that.

Rob:
Yeah, yeah. Properly, let me simply say one remaining factor to cap off that LA property. I mentioned that Kansas Metropolis home, I purchased it for 159, I offered it for 215 and that was a $40,000 revenue that I had sitting in my checking account. I used to be 10 occasions extra petrified to purchase that LA property after I purchased it for 624. That home at present is price between 1.2 and $1.3 million.
And I wish to finish on this as a result of it’s loopy to assume that I put $18,500 as a down fee. I had a bunch of vendor credit and stuff, however I put down 18,500 bucks. And if I misplaced every little thing tomorrow, I might promote that home and have half 1,000,000 {dollars} in my checking account as a result of I believed in myself, as a result of I knew that actual property might unlock the alternatives for me that my dad and mom at all times needed me to have. And it’s actually cool that that home was actually the start of what would finally turn out to be my actual property empire. It actually was. Clearly, the Kansas Metropolis home was first, however the classes I discovered in that LA home had been those that formed me into who I’m at present. And all of it got here all the way down to me believing in myself, my spouse believing in me, and everybody else that believed in me alongside the best way. So tremendous joyful and grateful to be right here and thanks for letting me inform my story.

Tony:
Yeah, that’s superb, Rob.

Ashley:
What a approach to finish the present. That was nice.

Tony:
I can let you know’ve completed this speaking in entrance of the microphone one or two occasions earlier than, man.

Rob:
I’ve had in a pod a time or two, however I’ve by no means actually informed this story, actually not like this.

Ashley:
Proper. Yeah.

Rob:
And it’s actually cool to come back and discuss it and it’s very nice to go and concentrate on the small print of the times after I was a no person with nothing. It’s probably the most particular time in my life when persons are struggling, when persons are like, “I’m unfold skinny. That is so laborious.” I’m so jealous of what you’re going via since you solely get to undergo that one time, and I miss these years a lot. So get pleasure from it. Benefit from the course of, peeps.

Ashley:
Yeah. Benefit from the journey.

Tony:
Rob, I wish to take us to our rookie examination earlier than we allow you to get out of right here, man. So these are the three most necessary questions you’ll ever be requested in your whole life, man, so are you prepared for the primary query?

Rob:
Certain, let’s do it.

Tony:
All proper. Query primary. What’s one actionable factor rookies ought to do after listening to your episode?

Rob:
Go get pre-approved for no matter home that you simply’re serious about doing as a result of that’s the very first thing that can let you know what you possibly can and might’t purchase. Everyone is like, oh, the place am I going to purchase a home? What market? What this blah, blah, blah? Learn how a lot you possibly can afford first. Get authorized with a mortgage individual. That may set the final word guardrails on how one can make the next step.

Ashley:
Rob, what’s one instrument, app or system you utilize in your corporation at present?

Rob:
The best instrument I’ve is my digicam. The perfect digicam in the marketplace is the one that you’ve got in your pocket. And the toughest half about making content material is hitting file, so by no means be scared to simply flip in your digicam and doc no matter home flip, home hack, new building that you simply’re in.

Tony:
I really like that reply, Rob. Ash and I discuss this on a regular basis, in regards to the energy of documenting your journey. I believe all of our lives has actually been impacted by content material and us sharing what’s occurring in our lives. I’d not be in entrance of this microphone proper now speaking to any of you had I not began my very own podcast earlier than. That’s how I got here to the BiggerPockets ecosystem. Rob began his YouTube channel. Ashley was on social media and had a good following there. All of us had a way that content material performed a job in our capability to develop our companies. So for all of our rookies which might be following, don’t assume that you must wait till you’re this massively profitable individual. Simply seize that digicam and doc the journey that you simply’re occurring.
All proper, Ro, final query for the examination. The place does Robert Abasolo plan on being 5 years from now?

Rob:
Oh, that’s how I do know you actually know me since you referred to as me Robert. 5 years from now, I believe I’d wish to be at 500 items. I’m at present engaged on a bunch of developments, glamp websites, distinctive tiny residence stays, and I wish to get to 100 by the top of this 12 months. And I suppose if we simply carry that math on, 500 of the good items on the face of the planet, that’s the place I wish to be.

Ashley:
Okay. Properly, Rob, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us at present, and please inform everybody the place they’ll attain out to you. And also you even have an enormous occasion developing, too, that I’ve seen and heard throughout about.

Rob:
I’m so excited. Okay. Yeah. So yow will discover me over on YouTube or Instagram or Threads if you happen to’re actually in on the know at Robuilt, R-O-B-U-I-L-T, or you can discover me at my convention, Host Con. It’s occurring in Houston, Texas in October twenty eighth via the thirtieth. It’ll be an ideal remaining leg to the BiggerPockets Convention. It’s proper after that. Come to each. Come hang around with me. You will discover out extra over at hostcon.com. And clearly, the perfect place to search out me is 3 times per week over on the BiggerPockets Actual Property podcast present the place you possibly can find out about actual property, entrepreneurship, scaling and every little thing in between.

Ashley:
Sure, we love that present. And Rob, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us. We actually recognize it. It’s undoubtedly an honor to have you ever on the Rookie podcast and to share your childhood journey and your very beginnings as home hacking. Thanks a lot.

Rob:
Thanks. Thanks.

Ashley:
I’m Ashley at Wealth from Leases, and he’s Tony, @tonyjrobinson on Instagram, and we shall be again on Saturday with the Rookie Reply.